But Of Course – 2 Models = 2 Setups, 2 Grips, 2 Pivots…

The best decision I’ve done recently has been to focus on one model instead of trying to work on both, and I’ve been vindicated on that.

In doing the work on the grip, the picture began to clear as soon as I looked at what the hands are doing in the setup, during the pivot and at impact – wonder of wonders (sarcasm here, it should have been obvious), the MCS Classic Golf Swing & Post-Modern Golf Swing models are as different as day and night.

It would appear to me now that the grip issue is (hopefully) resolved that the way I’m building the two models, everything will be different.

I’ve said that the only difference between the two was in the pivot action, but that’s only one facet.

What things are different, now that I’ve taken the grip issue and looked at how it should work with the Post-Modern model?

Right now, I would say:

  • Ball Position,
  • Address Balance (Bias),
  • Grip,
  • Pivot Action,
  • Head Stability (Floating vs Shifting)

Basically, everything is different.  Of course!


I’ve gone back today to re-watch some of the Mike Dunaway & Austin “Peace River” video on the swing, and it’s a mess.  It’s as if they’re presenting one swing model when the two men swung with distinct differences in setup, grip and pivot action.

In fact, look at the grip Austin is using in an iron swing in the video while Dunaway describes how to form the grip:

No, your eyes are not deceiving you – Dunaway has a standard neutral grip (“V” pointing to the right ear) while Austin’s grip there is Nicklaus-weak.

Based on my work with the stance variances with different grips in the last week, I can tell you that Austin is set up for a rotary, Classic-style pivot with matching grip – if he was using a hybrid rotary-shift-and-post pivot action from that stance, it would have been no wonder, certainly no surprise that he sometimes smashed the ball dead straight and other times had to go hunting in the woods for his ball:

Notice the lifting leading heel and short-stop slide through impact – these are rotary, Classic Golf Swing moves that you shouldn’t see in a proper shift-and-post like Dunaway’s action in the same video.

Now, it may be not be news to you, but it was to me when I figured it out – you can not have the same swing with two different grips.  No way, no how.  It simply can’t be done.

Dunaway however swung shift-and-post in the years he was making videos with his mentor, and that grip looks about right:

… for the Post-Modern swing action, but not the Classic one.

That Austin swing above and Dunaway’s swing are both featured in the same video and while you can tell at a glance that they bear fundamental differences one from the other, they’re only presenting one way to stand, grip and swing.

It’s not hard to see why no one ever learned either man’s swing from any of their videos together, I have to say.

Of course, I left this school of swing for reasons like this – I was blogging on the Austin swing as early as 2008 in one of my now-defunct blogs (I don’t have to rely on memory as the other day, I came across a ’08 swing clip of mine that I labeled “my Austin swing”), and I noticed as early as 2010 that his pupil Mike Dunaway didn’t swing the same way.

I didn’t at the time have the knowledge I’ve gained in the intervening decade-plus, so I took their word for it that they were presenting the same swing in their videos, but of course, it was impossible to emulate either if you listened to and watched the videos.

So, I will not make the same error with these two models upon which I’m working – they are indeed two very different and distinct ways to swing and the only reason I’m doing both is because they are both mechanically-correct models of which one person may find easier to perform one and another easier to perform the other.

In short, it could be the person using either model that makes either one optimal for them.

If that sounds like Schrödinger’s Golf Swing, I guess it is.  It would be a simpler paradox however, in that not everyone possesses the same athleticism and coordination.

It could very well be that one person using one model could out-perform someone who uses the same model and someone else who uses the other model due to personal aptitude – I will of course have my own thoughts on which one I prefer, once I’ve nailed them both down.