The MCS Classic Swing vs Post-Modern Model

dj top july 03I’ve been going over my swing clips from previous years & have a pretty solid theory (at least from the swing work I’ve been doing during this endless Covid-19 lockdown), that a properly performed MCS Classic Golf Swing motion would differ from the MCS Post-Modern Golf Swing (based on Mike Dunaway’s swing) in only one regard – the pivot action.

For those unfamiliar with my jargon, the Classic Golf Swing is exactly that – the mechanics of pivoting with the hips & legs, used by the greats of the era from Bobby Jones to the 1980’s, after which the horrifically unsound Modern Golf Swing era began.

Classic Golf Swing _ Sam Snead

sam snead iron swing


The “Post-Modern” swing model would refer to the method of swing utilized by Mike Dunaway. Still uses the hips & legs to power the pivot, but a different one (tilting & shifting the hips) than the rotary-action of the Classic.

Because the Modern Golf Swing is not to be used as it is not mechanically-correct (you never produce a shoulder turn by reducing or eliminating hip turn & twisting the lower back), we skip right from Classic to Post-Modern to keep things mechanically-sound.

Post-Modern Swing – Mike Dunaway

mike dunaway diagonal


The pivot actions of each swing model are markedly different of course, but it stands to reason that if the pivot action is performed to get a full shoulder turn at the top of the backswing, then all else should be the same.

There is one difference in the setup or stance that would require one pivot action or the other, but I can’t see why anything else wouldn’t be exactly the same.

Now, it may be that the difference would lend one swing model more leverage, thereby more speed & power, but that is something I’ll have to test out and I don’t think anyone except a long drive competitor would choose a model based on that.

I would pick the model that is easiest to perform and master, because the name of the game with anyone’s golf swing is usually performance & results-based.

I should be able to get out to my local range sometime in the coming week, with any luck – the first thing I’m going to do, since I’ve been working on it for the past 18 months, will be to see how my Post-Modern swing action looks.

The second will be to hit some balls in the Classic model and I should be able to discern from there whether or not my theory bears out.

When you factor in that the setups are nearly identical in the following way, it’s not that far-fetched:

  • Same posture looking down the line, the ever-familiar to long time WAX Golf readers posture of the erect stance, relaxed spine & shoulders & arms hanging naturally,
  • Same “kicked-in” trailing leg position,
  • Same neutral grip
  • Same balance, “pressed” into the leading foot with the spine tilting away from the target
  • Same “throw release” action through impact

With all of those identical features and only one real difference in the setup (which I’ll keep to myself until I’ve determined if I’m correct or way off), I am pretty confident that I’ll find myself correct in the theory.

If I’m not, then it won’t matter one way or the other, but if I’m correct, then it may mean I don’t release a “recap” video on the MCS Classic Golf Swing (“E = MCS” et al), but rather a whole new one to update the model concept.

That will make for a very interesting spring & summer, at least to me!

More to come.

 

8 thoughts on “The MCS Classic Swing vs Post-Modern Model

  1. peterallenby2013

    As always, I will look with avid interest and marvel that professional golfers find Foley’s swing style and approach to be a better philosophy and practice. There are a few current “hot” instructors gaining internet traction and professional golfer – Have you looked at all at Geroge Gankas’s approach?

    1. D Watts Post author

      I have read some of GG & I’ll stick with saying, not a fan, PA.
      Take away the surfer-dude stuff & it’s a lot of individual parts stuff with some techno-jargon.
      Really, I’ve spent years trying to simplify the description of a motion, which is swinging a golf club.
      Shouldn’t take an advanced biology/kinesiology education to understand instruction.
      My test for a golf swing instructor is always to ask myself, “How would this person describe & teach baseball swing mechanics?”
      Go to GG or any other person describing the golf swing & ask yourself how you’d feel paying them hundreds per hour to hear what they’re saying but for a baseball swing.
      Bet you’d be lost 😂
      The most technical thing you’ll ever hear me say is “C7” & “Lumbar,” or “Thoracic,” which I then immediately describe as the bump on the back of the neck, the lower back and upper back.
      “The swing rotates around the C7, you don’t twist the lumbar spine area & you want a relaxed Thoracic at address, not ramrod-straight.”
      Technically, I disagree with some of his methodology (some of it seems a bit S&T and I’m always out at that point), some of it completely escapes me as I’m not a kinesiology major.
      Hope that helps 😊

      1. peterallenby2013

        I came across a lesson he was teaching on You Tube and honestly, I didn’t understand what he was trying to accomplish. Glad to see the mystery is less on my perception and perhaps more in his methodology.. Simple is always better.. thanks DJ!

        1. D Watts Post author

          You’ve just reminded me of an email I just received from a reader who’s written a book on golf psychology & systems thinking.

          Part of his email says “golfers — notorious for out-sourcing their thinking and learning in search of quick fixes…”

          Amen.

          I’ve found that the more technical the jargon, the more likely a golfer is to say, “Exactly what I need,” even without understanding any of it.

          Some call it it snake-oil peddling. Some call it instruction.

          I undertook this journey because what I was being taught didn’t help me understand the swing better & the athletic part of my psychological makeup said, “Wait, it can’t be this complicated…”

          That’s where I fall, always. Teach the swing, don’t write a thesis on it.

    1. D Watts Post author

      Good to be back, Mark! 🙂

      I was able to recharge the batteries with the layoff & had some nice, uninterrupted work on the Mike Dunaway model without any rush to “get it done.” Paid big dividends.

      I’m looking forward to this season. It’s been years since I released a video (3 years in September), so that alone is raising my excitement level.

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