Solving The Stance & Pivot Mystery Of MA/MD

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Today I want to return to a familiar theme.

I asked a gentleman a while back, during one of our many back-and-forths on email regarding the Austin/Dunaway swing, why he was discussing it with me.

I essentially asked him, “There are numerous people and sites out there from people purporting to be Austin/Dunaway experts, why are you interested in what I have to say about any of it?”

His answer was illuminating, at least it was to me – they aren’t doing what Austin/Dunaway were doing in their swings when they swing, and they are completely mangling what Austin/Dunaway said about the swing.

“You,” he said, “Are the only one talking about it who can actually get it, so I’d rather read and watch what you’re doing with the swing.”

He is the same gent, by the way, who took lessons from MA and sent his own son for lessons with MA, and who says trying to teach that swing is a waste of time because people won’t put the discipline into getting it right.

While I thank him for the kind words and while I agree that the so-called MA/MD “teachers” out there are doing nothing close to what what is actually in the model, and I disagree with him on 2 points:

  • the first isn’t that I feel he’s wrong about people mangling what MA & MD said about the swing – I think it’s even worse, in that no one I see does much more than simply regurgitating the biological explanations of the swing given by MA (“you supinate X and pronate Y, and you extend Z,” which doesn’t do much for anyone not versed in human anatomy).
  • I do think people can learn and perform the swing without needing a degree in human anatomy, biomechanics or kinesiology, although I would agree that drilling, drilling and more drilling are necessary once you know what it is you’re supposed to do.

I’ve been watching a lot of the same videos I’ve had for years, which I hadn’t watched more than once or twice nearly ten years ago when I got them, and I’ve been struck, now that I’ve focused again on the swing, how badly most people interpret what is in those tapes.

It has led me to conclude that the reason people aren’t learning the swing model as well as they should is because when it comes to learning positions and motion, you need very simple as well as precise explanations of what is required.

For example, you shouldn’t be hindered from learning the pivot action that begins the back swing just because it’s MA/MD because other great swingers have made the same move.

Jack Nicklaus, for example, had an explanation of “keeping the shaft between the arms” and he used this thought to make the same pivot move going back:

You can see it again here:

Mike Dunaway, same action taking the club back:

There is only a mystery in this action if you don’t understand the explanation, but if you get the explanation, it suddenly jumps out at you what is being done, and who does it, and who doesn’t.

Likewise with the stance.  You can certainly stand like MA & MD did, because there are others who didn’t swing exactly like them who stood the same way, the best example being the greatest self-taught swinger of all time, one Mr. Slammin’ Sammy Snead:

… and again, that pivot move going back:

Now, neither of these gentlemen (Nicklaus, all-time majors winner and Snead, co-all-time events leader with Tiger Woods) made the same Compound Pivot action as in the MA/MD model, they used a pivot like Ben Hogan’s “floating pivot” action.

This is why I’ve made sure that the standard model of the MCS Golf Swing using Hogan’s “floating pivot” action, which goes best with the right-biased address and spine tilt (looking face-on) will include both of these elements of stance and pivot going forward.

If someone wants to say, “Aha, you’ve made changes in the MCS Golf Swing model after all,” they might be correct, they might be wrong.

It depends on the actual MCS model in which I isolated the best things in some of the greatest swings ever, while taking about idiosyncrasies.

I wanted the stance to emulate that of Nicklaus, Snead and Hogan when it comes to looking at them down the line, and I’ve found that the MA/MD stance when looking down the line is so close to that of the 3 afore-mentioned PGA Tour legends that they may as well be the same.

So, did I change the stance or just make mine, and my subsequent explanation of the stance, more in line with all of the above, which means the MCS model hasn’t changed in that regard?

As far as the pivot action, did I change the “One Major Move” action that is the basic explanation of the pivot, or did I simply enhance it by including what Austin, Dunaway, Nicklaus & Snead also did, while keeping in place the “floating pivot” action that was always part of the Classic Golf Swing and perfected by Hogan?

My answer is that the theoretical model hasn’t changed, and that what has changed is my ability to both perform and explain that stance and mechanics behind the theoretical model.

I say that because if you swing using the pivot action that hasn’t changed since I isolated Hogan’s pivot mechanics, a pivot like this, going on 4 years since I shot the video that I used to create this gif:

… you will be able to do all of what I’m talking about when it comes to creating the most efficient leverage in your swing.

In fact, when you look at the pivots of the two best swingers I’ve worked with to date, Jerry Crowell:


… and Blake Elliott:

… they both have the pivot move which I want in the MCS Golf Swing, and they were both launching it at the time I worked with them years ago – Jerry exceeded 120 mph as a 51 year old and young Blake had a club speed of 125 mph before he was 20 years old.

Nothing, absolutely nothing in the current video series is incorrect when it comes to the model.

What is changing is my own execution of said model, as well as hopefully the explanations behind the stance and pivot action becoming easier to understand, even though I’ve always striven to make them as clear and simple as possible.

And that, with any justice, will make everyone else’s execution and understanding of the MCS golf swing action that much better and easier to maintain.

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