Staying “Behind” The Ball Rather Than “Moving Behind” It

There’s a reason for every single thing that is in the MCS Golf Swing model theory.

You’ll hear a lot of talk in certain circles about the need to “move behind the ball” on the back swing pivot, but that is only because the swinger is not where they need to be at impact when they begin that pivot.

My background in various sports taught me that it’s far more difficult to be precise with any motion when your head is moving laterally or vertically, so when you see big head moves in a golf swing, there’s a potential for problems with consistency.

I used to have a big head move down and to the right, what I call the “Trebuchet Drop,” because I would begin my back swing with a vertical spine position, meaning that to get the required right-tilting spine at impact, something that to move, and that would be the head.

I didn’t “move behind the ball” on the back swing because I didn’t like my head to move on the back swing, so it occurred to me one day:


… watching Ben Hogan’s excellent pivot (which became a standard component of the MCS Golf Swing basic model around the end of 2014), that if you didn’t move the head on either the back swing or the down swing – you’d likely be a lot more consistent in your results.

So, it would be more beneficial to one if one set up their address already behind the ball and stayed there, rather than trying to move there on the back swing pivot or dropping into place on the down swing.

Case in point:


You’ll see in the above swing gif that with the Driver, I never break the vertical plane of the ball with my shoulders – I’m behind that line at address, behind it during the entire swing and even through to the finish.

That’s not something I do deliberately but rather my positioning and the mechanics that come out of the proper setup that does this.

If you look at Jack Nicklaus when he was young and strong, he set up in much the same way, which is how I know that it’s the best way to set up for a powerful, accurate & consistent strike on the ball:


That’s why I have stated in the “E = MCS” video the eBook both, that the setup is key, and you want an address position that is as close to your impact position as you can get it:


The only difference is where my weight is distributed at address versus just past impact – pretty evenly in the setup, but firmly into the leading leg and foot into and through impact.

In this manner, you get maximum leverage swinging with as stable a swing point (the C7 or the base of the neck) as you can manage, while performing your “One Major Move” back swing and then really stepping into the “Drop & Pop” through impact.

I have not changed anything in the MCS Golf Swing model since I determined that it was as simple a model as one could make it – no extra parts, no compensations, just a setup and then pure motion.

All I’ve done in the past year, in fact, is work on my own swing to get it as close to the optimal model as I can.

I took another step Thursday when I discovered I had been neglecting one little detail in my “measurement” procedure in setting up, and once I took care of that, I was able to make my down swing plane as neutral in an all-out swing as I did when performing the swing for demonstration purposes:

Demo Swing May 2017 – Actual Full Swing June 2108


In fact, I would say that the actual full swing plane is a tad shallower than my best demo swing from last year, and the full swing was free and unconscious!

So, it all has to do with both positioning and mechanics, but as I’ve been stressing for some time, you’ll solve the mechanics problems when you address the setup position issues.

It’s much simpler than trying to compensate while in motion, wouldn’t you say?


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5 thoughts on “Staying “Behind” The Ball Rather Than “Moving Behind” It

  1. D.L. Moriarty

    I actually had a big breakthrough with MCS today, got my first birdie because of it! I was thinking of Mike Dunaway talking about moving the navel, so I leaned a little more right at address and when I brought my PW (I have my clubs bent to Tiger’s loft, so 50*) down, it flew exactly the number I meant it to and stuck 6 ft from the pin. Now I just need more work because my driver has a wicked hook. I think I need to let go down the line and stop trying to turn like I used to

    Reply
    1. D Watts Post author

      Great, D.L.! As for this:

      I think I need to let go down the line and stop trying to turn like I used to

      I think you’ve got it! 🙂

      Reply
  2. Ralph Hagelbarger

    DJ Is this staying behind the ball thru impact more prominent with the Driver and other woods compared to the medium and short irons?

    Reply
    1. D Watts Post author

      Hello RH!

      Actually, it is only for the Driver, as this is the only ball position that would be outside your shoulder at address, or not between the feet, if you will. So you’ll only be “behind the ball” with that particular ball.

      See Mr. 18 Majors for his same address procedure as MCS:

      But the same principle applies for all other clubs – you want to be set up at address so you don’t have to “shift” to your right on the back swing pivot. Wherever it is you’re shifting – that’s where you should be at address.

      Hope that helps! 🙂

      Reply
  3. targettom

    I had some success the other day in curing a hook by standing more upright (closer to the ball) and concentrating on swinging to right field (on the “swing angle”) through the ball. Hopefully I will be able to duplicate that today at practice. YMMV

    Reply

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