Stable Swing Point = All Roads Leading To Rome

You’ve heard the phrase before, I’m sure, that “all roads lead to Rome,” and this is the same when it comes to the back swing pivot if you keep your swing point stable.

Meaning, if you are concerned about your exact “angle” taking the club back, you have no reason to worry provided you do two things:

  • Let the hips turn freely and
  • Keep your swing point stable

Of course, that always goes with the requisite caveat “provided you’ve set yourself up properly to swing.”

One of the great things about finally getting to write this eBook “The MCS Golf Swing,” which I was not going to write until I knew I had covered every base with the swing research aspect of it, is that I finally get to expand on many points.

For now, let’s just say that if you keep your swing point stable and let the hips and legs work naturally, it doesn’t matter exactly which angle you think you’re swinging back.

I have said that it’s virtually impossible to take the club back too far inside, just as it’s impossible to open a door on its hinge “too far inside.”

The door will swing back on the angle upon which it swings, whatever that may be, in an arc, and the same goes for the back swing pivot.

I wrote last year, actually about this, and I showed some swings with a more outside takeaway than my usual, but I never expanded upon it, and the eBook will be a perfect time to explore it in greater depth.

Note: The swings you see below are obsolete, as they were shot nearly 18 months ago, and I don’t think you’re ever going to see as long a back swing as I’m showing here (this has to do with my “leverage niche” posting from a few days ago), but what you see is my taking the club back on a little more outside path than my usual swing:

I am eagerly anticipating updating my personal swing catalog here on the blog in the next year, but even with the outdated swing, you can see that it didn’t matter that I took the club away on a more outside path than my usual, as I had no plane or path issues coming back down:

There was a comment from DKondo as well, a while back, who gave his observation (and a very good one) that you will naturally swing the Kettle Bell more inside on your “One Exercise” drills than an actual club simply because of the mass of the Kettle Bell.

DKondo has actually told me just last week about a swing revelation of his on the back swing pivot that I’ll share with everyone in the book, but with regards to the back swing pivot and “angle” or “path,” just bear in mind that as long as you keep the swing point stable and don’t restrict the hip turn, there is no wrong “angle” for taking the club back.

All roads lead to Rome, in that regard!

I hope you’re all as excited as I am about the eBook because there are going to be a lot of little tidbits and “aha” revelations that aren’t a necessary part of explaining the swing model in the videos, but which make up an excellent reference guide to check if you get off track with your swing and wonder what’s going on.

It’s not a state secret so I’ll tell you that for me, the more outside takeaway is not something I’ll be doing because it’s more “correct,” but merely because I find I tend to “snag” the club head a lot going back on the path or angle to which I have been used to.

The last rounds I played, it drove me crazy and ruined more than a couple of shots when I snagged taking it back and had it disrupt my timing and balance.

It was either changing the path, or hovering the club, and neither one is better, it just depends on which you prefer.

So, it’s not more mechanically-sound, but it helps me with the beginning of the back swing when you’re actually playing and find yourself on uneven lies or even tee grounds.

More on this in the book!

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4 thoughts on “Stable Swing Point = All Roads Leading To Rome

  1. Jeff

    Counting the days until the eBook DJ! How much is the takeaway path influenced by the One Major Move? It is the one area of the swing model that seems to have the biggest potential to deviate from optimal.

    As an example, I can break things down into a thought/feel that I “complete” the hip turn, taking my hands back more on that 45 degree line, then execute a lift/major move, or I can try and do both at the same time which seems to let my arms influence the take away path A LOT more?

    The One Major Move seems so simple, but for me it is the part of the swing I find myself wondering about / fiddling with the most.

    1. D Watts Post author

      Working on it right now, Jeff! And I understand your angst on the back swing, as that has been my major focus in the past few months as I have tried to anticipate any and every issue someone may have with that most crucial part of the swing.

      If you work on the “One Major Move” with the Kettle Bell “One Exercise” portion of that swing, just focus on a smooth move back, and when I’ve ironed out the precise explanation I want for the eBook, it’ll make a lot more sense to – that’s just one of the goodies therein, but I promise there will be more! 🙂

  2. hkgolf

    Hey DJ!

    For me I find that a more outside takeaway leads to a fade or slice ball flight.

    I think this results from having to reroute and change the path of the downswing, from an outside path initially created by the takeaway to a more inside path on the downswing. It seems this is the “snag” you feel from the rerouting, almost a figure of 8 move.

    Changing the angles of the swing paths (assuming the angle of the club face is square to the path) creates clockwise sidespin on the ball, and hence a slice/fade for me.

    Cheers HK

    1. D Watts Post author

      Hello HK!

      I know what you’re saying. In actuality, I should reinforce my point that I’m not saying one should have a more outside takeaway than the most inside angle you can get.

      All I’m saying here is that the top position is the end point of the back swing pivot and really, if you’re swinging with free hips and a stable C7, it will not matter the exact angle upon which you take it back.

      What is mechanically-incorrect is when players try to take the club back straight “up the line” and actually shift their swing point and head to the right to do so – that is not what I’m talking about here, just finding my personal angle where I don’t snag the ground, which happens with me with the driver taking it back at times, especially with lumpy lies, and at times with the long irons or metal-woods/rescues.

      The problem is that the Driver is a backward-shaft leaning club, so it can be a problem trying to take it back on the desired angle when it’s resting on the ground. So the alternative I see is either to hover the club before the takeaway or to take it back a little less inside on the start.

      A third option is to lift the club just as I begin to swing, but these are all little things that have nothing to do with actual mechanics of the proper swing.

      When I swing my SwingRite (or any other swing implement), its tip is a good 50 cm or 18″ from the ground so I can take it back on the angle I wish.

      I have found that the ground interferes with my preferred angle at times, so I’m telling everyone that if they see something different going forward, it’s not a model theory change but a personal adjustment.

      Good to hear from you, hope you’re getting some golf in over in Asia! 😀

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