The Swing Point Is The C7

I get a lot of people saying, “It’s very confusing to talk about the C7 being the swing point,” but the plain and simple issue is that if you’re struggling with stability in the pivot, then you have to make yourself understand it.

When the old instruction saw went “don’t move your head,” this is what they were talking about, whether they knew it or not – likely it was something that was instinctual to the more natural swingers, but it doesn’t mean you can’t understand it because there was a time I myself didn’t get it.

But for a true “floating pivot” golf swing, the C7 is the part of the swing you want to remain stable while everything else beneath it moves accordingly – not to be mistaken with the “floating heel pivot, which can have a C7 moving all over the place, in which case it’s not “floating” or stable… the MCS swing model has both, and there’s your key.

So, if you look at the below gif. with a make-shift scaffold drawn into it, you want to think of being hooked through the base of the neck (the C7), where you’re being held up from there:

The blue line is not a wire or rope, it’s a solid rod like the rest of the scaffolding – and you simply swing the body while the hook through the base of the neck keeps you from moving laterally in either direction.

This is not a secret, nor is it even new – take a look at Sean Foley’s swing model which, while I call it the “back-breaker” because of what happens to people who try to use this model for speed and power, has the same stable C7 on the back swing pivot:

Anytime you hear anything about the head not moving during the back swing or the entire swing, you’re talking about the stable C7 concept- even Tiger Woods had a relatively stable head – for him, the problem was what he was doing to his back in order to pivot this way, with a center-biased stance and a planted heel restricted-hip back swing:

So those of you who don’t get it – you can get it, and it’s my humble opinion that it’s virtually impossible to build a sound swing without getting this, which is why the entire MCS swing model is built around creating a full and free hip pivot with a stable C7 on the back swing.

If you get this, then you’ll understand the nature of all the pivot drills I’ve introduced in my swing videos over the last few years:

That above gif. is from the “MCS – Perfect Pivot” video, and this is exactly what I’m doing in the pivot drill – getting a full hip and shoulder turn with a stable C7, and this is the entire function of any pivot drill I’ve introduced.

So, if you don’t get it, I would ask you to read this posting again whenever you find yourself wondering, “What about the C7 again?”

Because it is so important that even most faulty or mechanically-unsound swing models that you see out there have this concept, and it goes all the way back to the classic golf swing era.

It is the root of the “cogged-wheel” concept as well, if you watch the above gif. with regards to the right-tilted spine and the hips, and it’s also part of the “tilted barrel” torso concept, where the torso turns back and forth as a tilted barrel or cylinder would turn around a pole through it’s center.

Again, no secrets here, although the concepts are ones that I’ve developed in trying to convey this principle.

It’s important and it’s no secret – the secret is in how set up your address stance and perform your pivot action in the manner you see me doing in the 9 iron swing – that’s the MCS pivot move based on Ben Hogan’s “perfect pivot” action, and you won’t see it in any modern golf swing instruction, because… well, you’d have to ask them, wouldn’t you?


5 thoughts on “The Swing Point Is The C7

  1. Jonas

    “…the plain and simple issue is that if you’re struggling with stability in the pivot, then you have to make yourself understand it.”

    I have to strongly agree with this sentiment. I wasn’t able to begin to pivot properly until I got it. Now, it’s a matter of dealing with my other issues lol. Good stuff DJ.

  2. Laser

    “It’s very confusing to talk about the C7 being the swing point.”

    –Okay, let’s start with the stable C7 concept. The first question is why is it stable? Because we made it stable? Let’s go back to George Knudson for a minute, and watch him from 5:38 in this video, and listen to his comment about the head: (21:33)

    Then, let me try this: the head isn’t stable because we make it stable…but, rather because the front of the body (use the chest for a marker) is turning away from the target…and our upper back is visually turning toward the target. Maybe that’s really why the head is stable…because what we’re doing has a net neutral effect on the head–the action “cancels out.”

    So, what are we trying to do? Aren’t we trying to use our powerful muscles (leg-hip) to cause a swing? Now, this would be really cool: is it possible to apply that power to a POINT…and then, as you say “switch sides” and use the inverse action to act upon that same POINT?

    Then we’d be right back to George Knudson…where he says that the arms, hands, and club “go where they will”…in other words, don’t steer…leave it to hand-eye coordination, which was prepared at address.

    If this is true so far, the next question would be: what is that POINT? I’m saying that it wouldn’t be the spine. Look at other sports (you’ll be good at this). Instinctively, we don’t want to hit something with our spine. There’s no thought or feeling of “spine” when we throw a football…hit a baseball…hit a tennis ball…hit a hockey puck…throw a Frisbee.

    So, when Tom Watson said, “Turn your back to the target,” wasn’t he hinting that the point is somewhere on his back?

    When I hit a baseball (right-handed) I feel like the point is upper right, between my right shoulder blade and…well, maybe the C7. When you hit a baseball or skip a stone, where is that point for you? (These things aren’t arm moves, they’re body moves.)

    If there’s any truth to this…(for anyone besides me)… then all you’d have to do is figure out where the point is, tell people the best way to get power flow to that point (like Tom Watson said), and how to do the inverse (switch sides) for the release.

    (Bye…time for another Martini.)

    1. D Watts Post author

      Hope you had one for me, Laser 😉

      This the point – if the C7 is moving during the swing, then it’s like trying to hit a ball with the entire Iron Byron machine moving around while you’re hoping to hit balls the same way every time. For the machine, impossible, and for human swingers, very problematic though possible (Byron Nelson).

      Like I said, it’s not even a new concept – the old “don’t move your head” is a flawed but still-the-same concept, just that the head is not the issue. The head moving around is not a cause of the swing flaw, but the result of it.

      All one needs is the proper positioning at address and the proper mechanical action, and though this sounds like oversimplification, that’s exactly what is required, and it’s doable.

      I use to move and bob all over the place, even when I could hit the ball pretty well. Now, I can do it properly. So there is hope, however badly one is swinging.

      1. Laser

        I’m not saying the C7 should move. Let me try an analogy. If I twirl a ball on a string, I could claim that the secret is not to have my shoulder moving. And, I’d be right…but it wouldn’t help anyone twirl a ball on a string.

        I don’t want to hog any more of your space, so I won’t put up the link, but someone can search this on Youtube if they want to see what I’m talking about. It’s Dunaway and Austin, and they make it waaaay too complicated…but, look at what Dunaway is doing with this drill:

        “Mike Austin and Dunaway – Hand Action and One Arm Practice” (19:23)

        My guess is this is what Tom Watson meant when he said, “Turn your back to the target.” The idea of the drill looks like it gets the part marked “trapezius” on this diagram reacting to the movement of legs and hips, causing a swing. They’re all connected, after all.

        I forgot to check, but Dunaway’s C7 is probably stable (even though that’s not what he’s trying to do)…it just happens.

        If anyone wants to try Dunaway’s drill with a two-handed swing, I’d recommend combining it with Mike Austin’s “Figure 7” thought, just to keep everything loosely unified…see 2:51 in this video:

        “Rare Mike Austin Swing Demonstration” (7:17) on Youtube.

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